tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post8776463168455201679..comments2023-10-04T08:47:13.314-06:00Comments on The Hockey Symposium: The Power of the One Way Contractspeedshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08328543507843688509noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-3261740848801813512010-02-21T12:59:59.880-07:002010-02-21T12:59:59.880-07:00DG:
Yes, you could make that offer to Cogliano. ...DG:<br /><br />Yes, you could make that offer to Cogliano. But, Cogliano's QO has to be one-way because of his games played, so there isn't any incentive for him to take less.speedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328543507843688509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-45650382164390105242010-02-21T12:37:00.791-07:002010-02-21T12:37:00.791-07:00I disagree.
Unless the guy has special skills (i....I disagree.<br /><br />Unless the guy has special skills (i.e. fighting is a special skill), I don't think one should be offering 3-year contracts to 4th line players. Two years at most.<br /><br />And I wouldn't offer Potulny, Stone, Brule, or Pouliot more than the qualifying offer, Potulny perhaps being the exception where I might offer two. Brule and Pouliot have been too injury prone to offer extended deals. And Brule's eventual replacement (Eberle) is arriving next year. Stone looks to have a wonky knee, and only has a handful of NHL games. Anything more than the QO would be a mistake without a full season of play.<br /><br />The Oilers have Vandevelde, Nash, and Lander all likely close to ready the season after next for 4th line duty. And O'Sullivan and Nilsson still under contract, who can fill those 4th line spots next year, if you can't trade them (although I'm pretty sure that Nilsson will be bought out).godot10https://www.blogger.com/profile/15054719949689366760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-78279560703136892632010-02-21T11:18:05.573-07:002010-02-21T11:18:05.573-07:00A question regarding qualifying offers:
Is it pos...A question regarding qualifying offers:<br /><br />Is it possible to sign a player coming off a two-way contract (let's use Cogliano as an example) for less than the required 100% salary he earned last year, in order to assure him a one-way contract?<br /><br />The reason I'm getting at this is that due to Cogliano's abysmal season could we guarantee him a one-way contract at 800K? Or would he have to reject a qualifying offer first?doritograndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14497613230666426389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-77855932207571806762010-02-20T21:21:26.190-07:002010-02-20T21:21:26.190-07:00Oh..
BD, thanks for pointing out my misconception...Oh.. <br />BD, thanks for pointing out my misconception...Oilmaniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08515962894946347558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-66505153045889256032010-02-20T17:39:09.529-07:002010-02-20T17:39:09.529-07:00oilmaniac - I think LT is saying that the Falcons ...oilmaniac - I think LT is saying that the Falcons have no such players - as he says 'if they had' players pushing<br /><br />right now they pretty well do notBlack Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03583346651230552519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-88586639782649546892010-02-20T13:02:56.118-07:002010-02-20T13:02:56.118-07:00"I think a guy like Thoresen says something a..."I think a guy like Thoresen says something about the replacability of the guys in question, and why it probably doesn't make sense to pay a bunch of extra money to keep "your" guys."<br /><br />- great point!<br /><br />LT, I have to respect your opinion of the falcons as being much more educated than my own but am left wondering who, outside of reddox, you could seriously feel is pushing their way up from the farm..<br /><br />General Question: Who gets bumped with Eberle potentially coming in on the RW.. does this bump Storts (who plays a much different role - very little depth in that role).. Just another way of complicating the discussion around the bottom 6, combined with the question of who is going to be the 7-9?!..Oilmaniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08515962894946347558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-73808652188625792010-02-18T10:30:54.654-07:002010-02-18T10:30:54.654-07:00I changed the article a bit to reference and recog...I changed the article a bit to reference and recognize YK's earlier post which I had read but didn't remembered while writing my entry. My apologies YK, I don't want anyone to think I'm intentionally ripping your material; I simply forgot that I'd read about this idea before or I'd have included the link and credited you to begin with.<br /><br />I included the link in the updated article, but include it here as well:<br /><br />http://ykoil.blogspot.com/2009/03/trade-deadline-musing-2008-09-more.htmlspeedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328543507843688509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-65126176165787491352010-02-18T10:09:24.851-07:002010-02-18T10:09:24.851-07:00That's true LT.
I'm now remembering that ...That's true LT.<br /><br />I'm now remembering that YK Oil wrote about something like this awhile ago, and one of his points, from memory (I'd include a link if I could find it. I'll add it if I can find it later), was that it's pretty inexpensive to make mistakes on contracts like this at the bottom of the roster.<br /><br />If you sign Stone to a 500K contract and he doesn't improve or show that he'll ever be more than a 4th line/press box guy, that's OK. Not ideal, but it won't really hurt you. Even if he becomes a press box regular, some forwards have to be your 13th/14th forwards (if you choose to carry 14) and what's wrong with that player being a guy who makes the league minimum?<br /><br />If injuries get serious and you have a better player in the AHL who isn't on a one way contract, you can always recall that player, insert him into the lineup, and leave Stone in the press box.speedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328543507843688509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-65831459060015360032010-02-18T07:24:09.536-07:002010-02-18T07:24:09.536-07:00On the other hand, if the Falcons had some forward...On the other hand, if the Falcons had some forwards pushing the incumbents (even at the outer edges) that would strengthen the bargaining position. <br /><br />Great post, speeds. Looking forward to the rest in the series.Lowetidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07603698479730018162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-77437323293557526392010-02-17T21:20:03.633-07:002010-02-17T21:20:03.633-07:00I think a guy like Thoresen says something about t...I think a guy like Thoresen says something about the replacability of the guys in question, and why it probably doesn't make sense to pay a bunch of extra money to keep "your" guys.<br /><br />Thoresen in particular may be a bad example, now, but he was probably good enough that he should have been able to find a job somewhere. But, with his elite level performance in the KHL, he might now command a high enough salary in the KHL that's he's priced himself out of the NHL unless he wants to take a pay cut to come back to the NHL.speedshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08328543507843688509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-27838642264530707792010-02-17T17:10:39.927-07:002010-02-17T17:10:39.927-07:00good stuff speeds
it might be the Olympic Fever t...good stuff speeds<br /><br />it might be the Olympic Fever talking but I remain convinced that Patrick Thoresen can play in the NHL and would return if you offered him a similar contract, not sure what he makes in the KHL but he's a guy I'd go after, nice versatile end of roster guyBlack Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03583346651230552519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14549434.post-45980736553028190572010-02-17T12:47:20.477-07:002010-02-17T12:47:20.477-07:00This is a good idea Speeds. I like all three guys...This is a good idea Speeds. I like all three guys enough that having them locked in at the bottom of the roster doesn't bother me at all. They're all young enough that they might improve too, and if they do, they can be moved up the lineup. Three year contracts in the 500k-700k range carry very little risk to the team, especially if one is permitted to dump a small contract in the minors (which this team already did once with Roy). Because of their age, I might even be tempted to go for longer term if the players are willing to take it.Scott Reynoldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05735545121522530577noreply@blogger.com